November 2008 Fastrack

[Doug Teulie]

Going forward
Given the economy and the shrinking participation, I'd say the trend is a concern.

I think SCCA needs to think about the real possibility of even more "shrinking participation."

[Jayson Woodruff]

There used to be something like that in the stock rules. Something like OE's of less than 14" could upgrade to 14" of the same width. Real benifit considering the tires availible. That allowance disapeared about 5 years ago though, don't know why. Makes a lot of old econo cars completely unfeesable.

Jay W

I saw the denial on the MR2 stock tires. I assume this was to allow 15" instead of the stock 14". I'm not sure how the proposal read, and I'm not going to search for it. Man, do these drugs make me tired.... And nauseous.... TMI..... It would seem reasonable to me to consider a stock rule that would allow a min 15" and max 18" wheel diameter allowance. So, you could replace a 14x6 with a 15x6. Or a 19x8 with an 18x8 or 20x8 with 18x8. The race tire selection range moves. Older cars and brand new edgey cars fall out of that range. Yeah yeah, I know the argument that that is part of the stock package when selecting a car. But its very unfriendly. And many new performance cars are excluded from play right now because of the tall wheels. A maker could always say they have an all season option for an 18" wheel and that car can play, but most can't...

Of course, the rule saves some people from themselves. I'd be running a Challenger in F-Stock if there were such a rule. And that would still suck....

[Steve Ekstrand]

Jason I. will surely shred me.... But my guess is they removed the rule as a way of getting rid of old cars.

[Bob Pl]

Going forward
Given the economy and the shrinking participation, I'd say the trend is a concern.

I think SCCA needs to think about the real possibility of even more "shrinking participation."

Maybe SCCA falls under the catagory of "too big to fail" same as all those financial firms on the Street.

[Robert Puertas]

It was for OE less than 13".

For cars like the old Mini and Honda 600's

[Steve Ekstrand]

Howard Duncan: "Yes, Mr. Paulson, thank you for taking my call. I'm Vice President of the Sports Car Club of America. I would like the treasury to bailout SCCA Solo."

Hank Paulson: "Huh?"

[Bob Pl]

Howard Duncan: "Yes, Mr. Paulson, thank you for taking my call. I'm Vice President of the Sports Car Club of America. I would like the treasury to bailout SCCA Solo."

Hank Paulson: "Huh?"

LMAO

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Going forward
Given the economy and the shrinking participation, I'd say the trend is a concern.

I think SCCA needs to think about the real possibility of even more "shrinking participation."

Maybe SCCA falls under the catagory of "too big to fail" same as all those financial firms on the Street.

I would not go that far. But I would say for every whiner out there, there is someone to replace them. For all the pissing and moaning about how bad HPT is, and people that said they would never go back, we still had 1000+ people show up to run in the sandbox. Lots of big talk out there. Just like a number of road racers I know that tried the other group this year, because they were so PO at SCCA. Only took them one trip to the other guys big event to come back to SCCA for 2009. You know the grass is always greener over there.

While the BoD may "run the club", members elect them and members put on the events... If you are not happy with things you should first think about how you can contribute to make it better, anything less and it is just more noise (a contribution can be as simple as a letter to the appropriate group within the club). A perfect example of the noise is the post VS letter ratio on items for member comment. For every ten post I see about a subject, I may see one letter - and I have never seen letters top 30 on a single item (pretty scary when you consider the number of members who don't seem to care).

btw you know there is a BoD seat open in SOPAC this year.... Any Solo guys going to step up?

[Steve Ekstrand]

Does anybody know who is currently running to fill Porterfield's spot? And I guess there are term limits on that position? I think I read somewhere Andy couldn't run again. Is there still time to run?


Maybe Glenn?

[Mike Simanyi]

btw you know there is a BoD seat open in SOPAC this year.... Any Solo guys going to step up?

I just wrote in my nomination for ya Jason! Thanks for being there for us. ;)

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Does anybody know who is currently running to fill Porterfield's spot? And I guess there are term limits on that position? I think I read somewhere Andy couldn't run again. Is there still time to run?


Maybe Glenn?

Mike Lewis from San Diego region. SCCA champ and http://www.americanlemans.com/drivers_a ... aspx?ID=30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

I just wrote in my nomination for ya Jason! Thanks for being there for us. ;)

Can't. Work conflict.

[Aaron Goldsmith]

Does anybody know who is currently running to fill Porterfield's spot? And I guess there are term limits on that position? I think I read somewhere Andy couldn't run again. Is there still time to run?


Maybe Glenn?

There's this 2 page spread in the SoPac newspaper thing they sent out a week or so ago, plus dude bought an ad right there too. They have threads over on Papa cal club's forum about it. Both of the dude's running tertiarily mention Rally and Solo at the end of a paragraph somewhere in their position statements. But you do get a bit of the, "we are all here to support road racing" feel from both. But then I'm just tertiarily following the election so I guess I get what I pay for. ;)

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

But you do get a bit of the, "we are all here to support road racing" feel from both.

I read it too last week and that's EXACTLY the feel I got.

[Steve Ekstrand]

That is our role. I'm surprised there aren't SCCA logo'd knee pads sent to members who check the Rally/Solo box.

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

That is our role. I'm surprised there aren't SCCA logo'd knee pads sent to members who check the Rally/Solo box.

That is only because year after year we let it be. If the Solo group had a candidate I think it would be easy to take the seat in this Division. I would bet less than 30% of the members in the SOPAC division even vote - and those are probably all club racers. In sopac you primarily have cal club and AZ putting on road races. What do you think the primary interest is in the other regions - San Diego, Vegas, Tucson, Flagstaff, Hawaii, Guam, I bet there are a lot of untapped votes out there.

[Bill Schenker]

And someone tell me again WHY we are part of CalClub? Though Jason's idea would go a long way to stop our continued rape by Papa CalClub.

[Steve Ekstrand]

I would immediately propose that club racers be asked to work course for solo competitions on a volunteer basis.

[Mike Simanyi]

I would immediately propose that club racers be asked to work course for solo competitions on a volunteer basis.

If that's your platform you have my vote!

[Chuck Fowler]

I would immediately propose that club racers be asked to work course for solo competitions on a volunteer basis.

is that based on their volunteering or us volunteering them for it

[Ashley Armstrong]

That is our role. I'm surprised there aren't SCCA logo'd knee pads sent to members who check the Rally/Solo box.

That's hot.

[Kurt Rahn]

Bwa bwika bwow bwow.

[Steve Ekstrand]

That is our role. I'm surprised there aren't SCCA logo'd knee pads sent to members who check the Rally/Solo box.

That's hot.

I can definitely hook you up.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

I would immediately propose that club racers be asked to work course for solo competitions on a volunteer basis.

is that based on their volunteering or us volunteering them for it

Merely a proposal just as fair as one put forward three years ago for Time Trial participants to work the concurrent Club Racing event in exchange for running in completely inadequate lot within the AAA Speedway infield. Objections to that lead the proponent to throw an online hissy fit and drive several of us away from the message group. Result? No Cal Club run HPDE/Time Trial/whatever you call it events, instead an alliance with a commercial 3rd party.

[Chuck Fowler]

Merely a proposal just as fair as one put forward three years ago for Time Trial participants to work the concurrent Club Racing event in exchange for running in completely inadequate lot within the AAA Speedway infield. Objections to that lead the proponent to throw an online hissy fit and drive several of us away from the message group. Result? No Cal Club run HPDE/Time Trial/whatever you call it events, instead an alliance with a commercial 3rd party.

sweet :barf:
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