Under 18 Waiver

[Vitecha Kochaon]

Hello Everyone!
Im new to the forum and to autocross. The July 25/26 event will be my first autocross. I had a quick question about the waiver that is required for minors under 18. Do my parents have to be at the track to sign it or can i print the waiver out and get it signed by my parents at home? Do i also need to be a member of SCCA in order to participate in the event? Thanks!

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

Hello Everyone!
Im new to the forum and to autocross. The July 25/26 event will be my first autocross. I had a quick question about the waiver that is required for minors under 18. Do my parents have to be at the track to sign it or can i print the waiver out and get it signed by my parents at home?

Please click on the CSCC Logo above. That will take you to the main website. There you will then see the Newbie Guide / Introduction. Click on the Who We Are link that will open up the PDF file, and then go to page 4 for reading up on Minors and waivers and it has a link to the form to download.

Do i also need to be a member of SCCA in order to participate in the event? Thanks!

YES

[Kurt Rahn]

Hello Everyone!
Im new to the forum and to autocross. The July 25/26 event will be my first autocross. I had a quick question about the waiver that is required for minors under 18. Do my parents have to be at the track to sign it or can i print the waiver out and get it signed by my parents at home?

Long and short is your parents can sign the form at home, but the signature has to be witnessed by a current SCCA member or notarized. In other words, unless you live next to an SCCA member or know one that lives close by, you'll either have to bring the form and your parents to an event or take it to a notary public. BTW, when you fill out the date and location, say "all 2009 events" and all 2009 locations." That way you won't have to get it signed again until 2010. Welcome!

[Vitecha Kochaon]

Wow thanks guys for the extremely fast reply! I have one more question....I will be signing up for the practice event prior to the championship. Besides the Fee for the practice, what else do i need to send in the mail? Thanks!

[Kurt Rahn]

Wow thanks guys for the extremely fast reply! I have one more question....I will be signing up for the practice event prior to the championship. Besides the Fee for the practice, what else do i need to send in the mail? Thanks!

Actually, the practices can be hard to get into, as the number of entrants are capped. This can be especially so as the national Solo and ProSolo events draw nearer (they're usually in Sept.), as people attending national events often get priority entrance. Last I heard, the CASOC practice is already filled up, so unless you sent your check in a while ago, I'd say there's not much chance. What you can do, though, is come to the event on Sun., run your usual class runs, then purchase what we call X Runs, which is another set of runs with no work requirement. Also, as a noob, you'll eligible to get instructor runs to familiarize yourself with the speeds and forces you'll be exposed to on course. I highly suggest doing this, as you'll learn a lot. Just tell the person running the grid (the person who checks off the cars and tells you to proceed to the starter) beforehand that you want instructor runs, and he or she will help line it up for you.

[Mako Koiwai]

let us know what area you're in ... if that helps getting the waiver witness

[Rick Brown]

Also, you are welcome to come to the practice event and watch and take rides to get more familiar with what it's all about. No charge for that.

[Kurt Rahn]

Also, you are welcome to come to the practice event and watch and take rides to get more familiar with what it's all about. No charge for that.

Great point. That's what I did my first event, just so I could familiarize myself, meet some people beforehand and ask a lot of questions.

[Chuck Fowler]

i would even say come out saturday if you want. you can spectate, get ride alongs, do a course walk and generaly check things out.
but bring the waiver with you ;)

edit: dang it Rick

[Vitecha Kochaon]

Yeah and plus it would be a 75 dollar fee for me to go to practice...going for ride along sounds like a good idea. I live in South Pasadena and I am next door neighbors with Michael Henderson, i dont know if you guys know him...you probably do. I go up to Angeles Crest with him and he suggested autocross. Finding a witness shouldn't be a problem, but thanks for the offer! Will most of you guys be at the autocross in El Toro? Look forward too meeting you guys!

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

Just an FYI, we like for all our members to show their FULL NAMES, not initials.

[Mako Koiwai]

I'm also your neighbor - Michael is a bad influence, being Irish, etc.

[Mike Simanyi]

I hate to say this but...

Mako is your trusted witness.

[Tom Denham]

I'm also your neighbor - Michael is a bad influence, being Irish, etc.

And I thought this Mako had a big mouth. ;)

[Mako Koiwai]

That's My Buddy Michael!!! ... And I like Irish Beer, as long as it's cold.

M. Henderson, who says Hi when he drives by the house with an extra dose of STI rumble ...

[Vitecha Kochaon]

I'm also your neighbor - Michael is a bad influence, being Irish, etc.

I couldn't agree with you more....haha Where in SP are you?

[Mako Koiwai]

Where Arroyo Drive/Mission/Pasadena streets come together

[Steve Ekstrand]

I think its imperative that parents understand what their minor child is getting involved with. I much prefer that a parent attend at least one time. But that is not the rule. Whoever witnesses, should make sure parents understand autocross, and that we aren't going to fix your brand new Mustang when your kid totals it into an ARMCO or your M3 in to a light stand base. Stuff happens. But on the otherhand, its probably safer at our events than the pubic roads. And it should make you a better driver if you approach it right. That should be explained to. Its just important to know this isn't going to a mall. Its serious stuff.

[Bob Beamesderfer]

Steve won't be surprised when I say that I agree with him—at least this time.

It's important that parents understand what the sport is and isn't. I'd highly recommend that one parent come out with their kid(s) to the first event to see how it works and what the group is like. They might just catch the bug themselves.

[Vitecha Kochaon]

I think its imperative that parents understand what their minor child is getting involved with. I much prefer that a parent attend at least one time. But that is not the rule. Whoever witnesses, should make sure parents understand autocross, and that we aren't going to fix your brand new Mustang when your kid totals it into an ARMCO or your M3 in to a light stand base. Stuff happens. But on the otherhand, its probably safer at our events than the pubic roads. And it should make you a better driver if you approach it right. That should be explained to. Its just important to know this isn't going to a mall. Its serious stuff.

I really couldnt agree with you guys more. The only problem is that my Dad will be out of town and my mom has a business meeting that day. I have been involved with racing and this kind of thing for a while. I started off with radio controlled cars. I know this is nothing like radio controlled car racing but its my interest so my parents have decided to let me go. And they trust Mike.. I know since its my first time i probably wont be pushing the car as hard as i can...and i am sure ill murder some cones but i think i have a good enough feel for the car to stop it from going into a light pole...hopefully

[Leonard Cachola]

and i am sure ill murder some cones but i think i have a good enough feel for the car to stop it from going into a light pole...hopefully

As long as you remember your car has brakes (well, hopefully you have brakes) and you know how to use them, you'll be fine.

[Mako Koiwai]

... and you stop running if you run out of tread!

If you spin, it's simple. Both Feet In ... Clutch and Brake. (Clutch in is good for the motor.) Once you spin, you can't save your lap time, so let it come to a stop ... and then proceed when it's safe. Trouble happens when you try to save it by continuing to apply throttle. You're covering ground quickly and that's when you might encounter something beyond our SCCA prescribed safety parameters. Accidents where something gets crunched are VERY rare in SCCA events.

[Steve Ekstrand]

I vaguely alluded to prior incidents. We don't talk publicly about specifics for a variety of good reasons. Come by the big trailer at the Junior kart track when we run El Toro and I'll be glad to tell you old legends and tales.

But in general, the bad stuff that we see happen occurs long long long after the lap is blown. They are already off course or coned and they try to save a severely crossed up or a tankslapper condition. Those are just senseless. The lap was already gone, now they risked injury and totaled their car too far no reason. But the red mist sometimes interferes with good judgment. You have to train yourself to give it up when its prudent.

Look forward to meeting you at the upcoming events.

[David Crozier]

I'm trying to get the minor waiver so my son can drive this Saturday at El Toro. He actually turns 18 on the 9th, so he's missing it by one day. I went to the link mentioned by Gio in the Newbie Guide/Introduction but it's not working and I couldn't find the form on the SCCA website. Help....

[Rick Brown]

I'm trying to get the minor waiver so my son can drive this Saturday at El Toro. He actually turns 18 on the 9th, so he's missing it by one day. I went to the link mentioned by Gio in the Newbie Guide/Introduction but it's not working and I couldn't find the form on the SCCA website. Help....

Hmmm.... I couldn't find it on the stupid web site either. Don't know where you live, but if it's anywhere near El Toro, there are people doing setup virtually all day today and there are plenty of forms in the timing vehicle. I assume you need it in advance since it requires both parents signatures for him to drive.

Is this his first time? If you've done the form before and didn't put a specific date on it, it's good all year. But you have to have it to show us.