Time Trails/PDX

[Gayle Jardine]

June 12-13, 2010
At the June event at Auto Club Speedway group 4 is devoted to Time Trials. Time Trials for this event include PDX and Club Trials. The difference is PDX is focused on high performance driving and lots of instructor time and Club Trials is timed (if you want) and instructors are available for you benefit.

Lots of track time over two days for $165 (plus $15.00 weekend membership if the entrant is not yet a member of SCCA / Cal Club). Register on line or call the club office at .

What a great gift for a friend or crew member. A great way to check out your street car and improve your own driving skills with national and regional licensed instructors.

Fo anyone who is participating in the Invitational Practice and want to participate in the Time Trials, we will cordinate your run/work accordingly so that you can run both events

[Aaron Goldsmith]

I'm not entirely able to figure out what this post means... i feel like I'm missing a key piece of information that would make it all clear. Who's is group 4? Is there a link to info about the event you're talking about?

[Theo O.]

https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm ... 37F38F55EC

[Michael Smith]

Here is what I found...

This event is great for anyone that is interested in Club Racing. This explains it:
http://www.scca.com/contentpage.aspx?content=36

What, where, when:
Club Racing event Saturday Jun 12 - Sunday Jun 13, Auto Club Speedway, Fontana, CA

Schedule:
http://www.calclub.com/html/html2/2010/ ... hedule.pdf
5 groups per session. The 4th group is reserved for PDX and Club Trial entrants.

PDX and Club Trials instead of racing in open class:
Performance Driving Experience (PDX) – Level 1 Events
These events shall concentrate on the teaching of safe car handling and performance driving techniques, and shall not be competitive events. SCCA licenses are not required for entrants.

Club Trials – Level 2 Events
"With Club Trials, you now get to feel what it’s like to be on the track and go against the clock no matter what you’re running that weekend."

[Gayle Jardine]

To clarify...
At the June 12-13 Club Race at AAA Speedway, group 4 will involve drivers who are entered for the Time Trials/PDX. Time Trials (TT) are very similar to what used to be called Solo I.

Several practice sessions are held each day and on Sunday during the last session, if you wish, you can be timed. Some drivers just want the track time and practice on a regular race course, but don't care about being timed.

Earlier this year Cal Club held a TT and everyone had a GREAT time! Ask Tom Barrett. He ran his Corvette with the Gurney Bubble. This is wheel to wheel, passing in designated passing zones only and with very little additional safety gear than we run in solo. Anyone who has a legal solo car can participate. Cost is $165 for both days with instructors available.

At the event earlier this year each driver got three 20 minute sessions each day for their $165.

For additional info, check out the Cal Club website or contact Steve Staveley at stevestavley@msn.com

[Arthur Grant]

Gayle, I would love to do the time trial, but will there be time if I am working Timing & Scoring?

Thanks

[Karen Zaterman]

https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm ... 37F38F55EC

Theo posted the link you use to register. I am already in -- and if you haven't done the Roval yet...
should be a blast. I did big Willow recently with NASA and really learned a lot.

I'm using my Miata -- it is a track day so if you have a convertible you will need a rollbar for safety, similar to other organizations.

registration list link:
https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm ... 37F38F55EC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Thomas Barrett]

To clarify...
At the June 12-13 Club Race at AAA Speedway, group 4 will involve drivers who are entered for the Time Trials/PDX. Time Trials (TT) are very similar to what used to be called Solo I.

Several practice sessions are held each day and on Sunday during the last session, if you wish, you can be timed. Some drivers just want the track time and practice on a regular race course, but don't care about being timed.

Earlier this year Cal Club held a TT and everyone had a GREAT time! Ask Tom Barrett. He ran his Corvette with the Gurney Bubble. This is wheel to wheel, passing in designated passing zones only and with very little additional safety gear than we run in solo. Anyone who has a legal solo car can participate. Cost is $165 for both days with instructors available.

At the event earlier this year each driver got three 20 minute sessions each day for their $165.

For additional info, check out the Cal Club website or contact Steve Staveley at stevestavley@msn.com

Gayle, I did have a great time, got some outstanding coaching and picked up almost 4 seconds in lap time from the coaching and station wagon sessions I went through, I had run at Buttonwillow numerous times and thought I knew it pretty well, as we all know driving is a constant learning experience and I learned a lot at that event. I will not be there Saturday but plan on being there sunday with a brand new motor and a lot more ponies under the hood.

It would be great to have more people to run with in the TT group.

[Mako Koiwai]

Karen did a number of Track Day's @ CA Spdwy last year ... and is signed up for this one. She always has a Blast! Steve Abbott can attest that our AX R's hold up well ... since we typically aren't pushing things as much as we do in Solo racing.



Karen and JPL Steve:


Point By:

[Arthur Grant]

Gayle, where do I send the money for the TCC invitational. I will be there both days, so how much. I won't be doing the timetrial, get the feeling since my head sits above the roof line of my car with the helmet on they would like me running the road course.

Thanks

Art

[Mako Koiwai]

Karen just got a notice with Additional Information for the Time Trials next weekend. All of a sudden their saying one is suppose to have Arm Restraints if in an open topped car?! We thought that any Solo legal car was good to go. Arm restraints would also mean a driving suit ... since when does one need a driving suit for Solo'ing/Time Trails ?

Only after saying that one is required to have arm restraints in an open topped car, does it say Any Car That is SCCA Solo legal can participate ... open cars require a substantial roll bar ... which our Miata has ... the HardDog M2 Sports Bar.

[Mako Koiwai]

So Ceci, Cal Club office manager is also confused by this. She forwarded our question about the Arm Restraints to Steve S ... but he tends to be unresponsive.

HOW IS ONE SUPPOSE TO DO A POINT BY WEARING ARM RESTRAINTS ?

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Karen just got a notice with Additional Information for the Time Trials next weekend. All of a sudden their saying one is suppose to have Arm Restraints if in an open topped car?! We thought that any Solo legal car was good to go. Arm restraints would also mean a driving suit ... since when does one need a driving suit for Solo'ing/Time Trails ?

Only after saying that one is required to have arm restraints in an open topped car, does it say Any Car That is SCCA Solo legal can participate ... open cars require a substantial roll bar ... which our Miata has ... the HardDog M2 Sports Bar.

You don't need to wear a driving suit to have arm restraints, they are a separate item. And if you have them so tight you can't do a point by, you are wearing them wrong.



All of these guys are wearing them.

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Sounds like Cal Club needs to identify if this is a PDX (level 1, no timing allowed), a Club Trial (level 2) or Track Trial (level 3).

PDX
A seven-point restraint harness is recommended for all events. Arm restraints are optional on all cars but recommended on all open cars including open Targa tops, sunroofs and T-tops. The restraint system installation is subject to approval of the Chief Technical and Safety Inspector.

Club Trial
A seven-point restraint harness is recommended for all events. Arm restraints are optional on all cars but recommended on all open cars including open Targa tops, sunroofs and T-tops. The restraint system installation is subject to approval of the Chief Technical and Safety Inspector.

Track Trial
10.27. WINDOW SAFETY NETS/ ARM RESTRAINTS
Window safety nets or arm restraints are required. Arm restraints are required on all open cars. Closed cockpit cars may use either arm restraints or a driver’s side window net. If window nets are used, they must meet the following requirements. All window nets shall meet SFI Specification 27.1., and shall bear an “SFI Spec 27.1., Label” to that effect. The window net shall be equipped with a quick-release device. Nets shall be attached to the roll cage; plastic buckles, hose clamps and elastic cords are not permitted. Holes in the roll cage to accommodate either support rod are unacceptable unless bushed and welded completely. Refer to Figures 1 and 2, “Proper Window Net Installation,” for additional information on mounting methods.

[Philip Strong]

Per Gayle's first post,

"At the June event at Auto Club Speedway group 4 is devoted to Time Trials. Time Trials for this event include PDX and Club Trials. The difference is PDX is focused on high performance driving and lots of instructor time and Club Trials is timed (if you want) and instructors are available for you benefit."

[Mako Koiwai]

Thanks Jason ... but these recommendations don't fit in with us being able to use our Solo cars ... as is ?

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Thanks Jason ... but these recommendations don't fit in with us being able to use our Solo cars ... as is ?

I have no idea what you are referring to... But if you read the Club Trials rules, the arm restraints are not required. Perhaps you should take a minute to read the entire section, so you don't get any other surprises.

A seven-point restraint harness is recommended for all events. Arm restraints are optional on all cars but recommended on all open cars including open Targa tops, sunroofs and T-tops. The restraint system installation is subject to approval of the Chief Technical and Safety Inspector.

[Rick Brown]

Thanks Jason ... but these recommendations don't fit in with us being able to use our Solo cars ... as is ?

How does an arm restraint change the car? Even a window net is a minor change. Plus, why would you want to be less safe? Having run Solo I in the past, I know I'd never be comfortable in less than a full cage, driving suit, etc. when on a real race track with other people. Just like I don't ride my motorcycle with out full gear - armored jacket and pants no matter the weather. I'll trade a little sweat for blood any time.

[Mako Koiwai]

I'm referring to a Notice that was emailed to the participants for this weekends events.

[Mako Koiwai]

Karen has been doing NASA track days where in the "beginner" groups one doesn't drive flat out. One is suppose to drive within ones limits, limited passing, etc. She recently moved up to Group 2, where she can go out without an instructor. She's done four days of NASA HPDE's at CA Speedway and Willow Springs, big track.

She was assuming that this weekend's SCCA event would be more of the same ... leading up to an optional Timed Time Trial run at the end of the day. She's not interested in hard core racing ... she's using these events to gain more confidence in the fast sweepers that she encounters in Solo'ing.

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

I'm referring to a Notice that was emailed to the participants for this weekends events.

Sounds like you need to reply to them with that section of the Club Trials rules.

But +1 for what Rick said. You never know when a part will fail, or one some knucklehead will make a dumb move.

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Karen has been doing NASA track days where in the "beginner" groups one doesn't drive flat out. One is suppose to drive within ones limits, limited passing, etc. She recently moved up to Group 2, where she can go out without an instructor. She's done four days of NASA HPDE's at CA Speedway and Willow Springs, big track.

She was assuming that this weekend's SCCA event would be more of the same ... leading up to an optional Timed Time Trial run at the end of the day. She's not interested in hard core racing ... she's using these events to gain more confidence in the fast sweepers that she encounters in Solo'ing.

That is exactly what the PDX sessions are, education. The Club Trials would be similar to the NASA timed groups.

Make sure she requests Philip as her instructor.

[Rick Brown]

Karen has been doing NASA track days where in the "beginner" groups one doesn't drive flat out. One is suppose to drive within ones limits, limited passing, etc. .........

Not questioning Karen's skills, but you don't know anything about the other drivers. People can and do drive over their head and occasionally accident's do happen. Back when I did Solo 1 events in Vegas (Parhump), when they started having HPDE event's at the same time (different groups), the Solo 1 drivers were the instructors for the HPDE cars. While we didn't have any incidents beyond a few off track excursions, and the straights were slowed down some, I was a bit uncomfortable riding in a car with no roll bar and only stock seat belts.

[Mako Koiwai]

The Miata DOES have a Roll Bar.

Nice reminder on getting Philip!

[Mako Koiwai]

Organizer Steve S is going to lend Karen a set of Arm Restraints ... so it looks like Solo convertibles must have roll bars and arm restraints to participate in the PDX/Time Trails