CMod Formula Ford

[Eric Clements]

For all the guys asking me where they can get a FF...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Van ... lQ5f#v4-36" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Eric Clements]

Apexspeed is the main FF place to look.
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Bill Martin]

Dick Takashima's wife still has his for sale last I heard. And there may be one or two down in San Diego as I rarely see them autocrossed anymore. I can check next week if you PM me.

[Michael Wood]

Bill, would you consider any of the cars you're thinking of as competitive at a national level?

[Bill Martin]

Yes and no. My experience is that Formula Fords are what you make of them, not what you buy. Remember the most significant difference between the various models is aero-drag. Not something we normally worry about. So perhaps more than any other class, you can take a Formula Ford and mold it to your preferences on springing and gearing. Everybody runs the same size wheels, tires, engine, trans, weight etc so no need to look around for optimums there.

That said, none of these local guys would be bringing home national championships anytime soon. Those national guys are tough competitors.

[Michael Wood]

That makes sense, Bill. But, I'd think you'd at least need to be looking at a mid 80's/up car with inboard suspension, right?

[Kristoffer Gjevre]

From http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rule ... _Rules.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MODIFIED CLASS C (CM)
Modifi ed Class C GCR-compliant SR, SRF, Formula F, & S2000. Within
the limitations of the GCR, additional frame bracing, suspension and
steering changes, relocation of ancillary components (radiators, batteries,
etc.), and their associated mounting brackets is permitted. Nothing
in these rules is to be construed as overruling any GCR construction
requirements or limitations except for those safety items which the Solo
Rules do not require. The purpose of these rules is to maintain the
value of these cars for Club Racing and therefore their market value,
and to prevent special Solo-only Formula F vehicles.
Exceptions to the GCR for all cars in this class:
A. Spec tire requirements do not apply.
B. For S2000, the minimum weight with driver is 1280 lbs. FF and
S2000 are open only to “series-produced” cars. Only cars produced
by the following manufacturers are eligible for FF in this class: ADF,
Alexis, Caldwell, Citation, Crossle, Dulon, Eagle, Elden, Forsgrini,
Gemini, Hawke, Konig-Heath, LeGrand, Lola, Lotus, March, Merlyn,
Mondiale, PRS, Reynard, Royale, Swift, Tiga, Titan, Van Diemen,
Winkleman, and Zink. Only cars produced by the following manufacturers
are eligible for S2000 in this class: Bobsy, Chevron, Daedalus,
KBHMariah, Lola, March-Apache, Reynard, Royale, Shrike, Swift,
and Tiga. The SEB may add to

SCCA approves Honda Fit-based engine for Formula F
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca ... formula-f/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How does this affect FF in SOLO?
Who would rather have a modern engine then that Ford 1600 from the 70's that cost a bundle to build and is a bit fragile...

[Steve Ekstrand]

The FIT motor is $11,750.

What does a FIT cost?

[Kristoffer Gjevre]

The FIT motor is $11,750.

What does a FIT cost?

The first conversion kit offered will be for the venerable Swift DB-1. This complete, race-ready package will sell for $11,750. It will include a base L15A7 engine, FF engine conversion kit (including intake, exhaust, dry sump, restrictor plate and ECU), and a bolt-in DB-1 chassis conversion kit, to permit installation of the engine without welding or other major modifications. Individual component parts will also be available for purchase separately.

The FIT engine by itself has to be a lot less...

[Michael Wood]

From http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rule ... _Rules.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MODIFIED CLASS C (CM)
Modifi ed Class C GCR-compliant SR, SRF, Formula F, & S2000. Within
the limitations of the GCR, additional frame bracing, suspension and
steering changes, relocation of ancillary components (radiators, batteries,
etc.), and their associated mounting brackets is permitted. Nothing
in these rules is to be construed as overruling any GCR construction
requirements or limitations except for those safety items which the Solo
Rules do not require. The purpose of these rules is to maintain the
value of these cars for Club Racing and therefore their market value,
and to prevent special Solo-only Formula F vehicles.
Exceptions to the GCR for all cars in this class:
A. Spec tire requirements do not apply.
B. For S2000, the minimum weight with driver is 1280 lbs. FF and
S2000 are open only to “series-produced” cars. Only cars produced
by the following manufacturers are eligible for FF in this class: ADF,
Alexis, Caldwell, Citation, Crossle, Dulon, Eagle, Elden, Forsgrini,
Gemini, Hawke, Konig-Heath, LeGrand, Lola, Lotus, March, Merlyn,
Mondiale, PRS, Reynard, Royale, Swift, Tiga, Titan, Van Diemen,
Winkleman, and Zink. Only cars produced by the following manufacturers
are eligible for S2000 in this class: Bobsy, Chevron, Daedalus,
KBHMariah, Lola, March-Apache, Reynard, Royale, Shrike, Swift,
and Tiga. The SEB may add to

SCCA approves Honda Fit-based engine for Formula F
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca ... formula-f/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How does this affect FF in SOLO?
Who would rather have a modern engine then that Ford 1600 from the 70's that cost a bundle to build and is a bit fragile...

Is that from the 2011 rulebook? I can't find the approved car list when looking at the 2011 draft posed on SCCA.com.

[Kristoffer Gjevre]

Is that from the 2011 rulebook? I can't find the approved car list when looking at the 2011 draft posed on SCCA.com.

2010, did not go looking for the 2011 one...

[Pete Loney]

The FIT motor is $11,750.

What does a FIT cost?

I almost bought a decked out one not too long ago for $18K

[Bill Martin]

That makes sense, Bill. But, I'd think you'd at least need to be looking at a mid 80's/up car with inboard suspension, right?

The original motivation for inboard suspension was to get "stuff" out of the airstream. No biggie for us. But some say the inboard suspension is more "effective" and I'm not clear on what that means. The top CM cars run up to 5 hz spring frequencies which means you hardly have any suspension movement. So how important can it be? But that's just me being skeptical. They probably know what they're talking about.

Multiple CM national championships have been won with outboard suspension, including my Lola. How bad can it be?

[Bob Beamesderfer]

The FIT motor is $11,750.

What does a FIT cost?

$5,000 for the engine and $6,750 for the homolagation seals.

[Eric Clements]

Sister car to Roberts. We could share spares!
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KJ Christopher]

Sister car to Roberts. We could share spares!
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hmmmmm.

[Kurt Rahn]

Sister car to Roberts. We could share spares!
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.

[Ron Tsumura]

Sister car to Roberts. We could share spares!
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.

I think he is probably a life member of AAA....

[Kurt Rahn]

Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.

I think he is probably a life member of AAA....

I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:

[Mike Simanyi]

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.

I think he is probably a life member of AAA....

I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:

Isn't it great?!!! }:)

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

Isn't it great?!!! }:)

I fell in with the wrong crowd this week, and need an intervention more than ever.





I still have the shakes.

[Steve Ekstrand]

I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:

I wife is my enabler. Last night she was going, you know... Wouldn't you want a Challenger SRT-8 with the 392ci Hemi? Followed by what should we get for our next autocross car? Something faster? All of which followed the thousands we spent over Christmas on the current autocross car... All without complaint.

[Kurt Rahn]

I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:

I wife is my enabler. Last night she was going, you know... Wouldn't you want a Challenger SRT-8 with the 392ci Hemi? Followed by what should we get for our next autocross car? Something faster? All of which followed the thousands we spent over Christmas on the current autocross car... All without complaint.

Let me know if you ever ponder divorce

[Kurt Rahn]

Those little guys look like a lot of fun.