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CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:19 am
by Eric Clements
For all the guys asking me where they can get a FF...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1983-Van ... lQ5f#v4-36" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:09 am
by Eric Clements
Apexspeed is the main FF place to look.
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:43 pm
by Bill Martin
Dick Takashima's wife still has his for sale last I heard. And there may be one or two down in San Diego as I rarely see them autocrossed anymore. I can check next week if you PM me.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:15 pm
by Michael Wood
Bill, would you consider any of the cars you're thinking of as competitive at a national level?
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:26 pm
by Bill Martin
Yes and no. My experience is that Formula Fords are what you make of them, not what you buy. Remember the most significant difference between the various models is aero-drag. Not something we normally worry about. So perhaps more than any other class, you can take a Formula Ford and mold it to your preferences on springing and gearing. Everybody runs the same size wheels, tires, engine, trans, weight etc so no need to look around for optimums there.
That said, none of these local guys would be bringing home national championships anytime soon. Those national guys are tough competitors.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:37 pm
by Michael Wood
That makes sense, Bill. But, I'd think you'd at least need to be looking at a mid 80's/up car with inboard suspension, right?
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:26 pm
by Kristoffer Gjevre
From
http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rule ... _Rules.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MODIFIED CLASS C (CM)
Modifi ed Class C GCR-compliant SR, SRF, Formula F, & S2000. Within
the limitations of the GCR, additional frame bracing, suspension and
steering changes, relocation of ancillary components (radiators, batteries,
etc.), and their associated mounting brackets is permitted. Nothing
in these rules is to be construed as overruling any GCR construction
requirements or limitations except for those safety items which the Solo
Rules do not require. The purpose of these rules is to maintain the
value of these cars for Club Racing and therefore their market value,
and to prevent special Solo-only Formula F vehicles.
Exceptions to the GCR for all cars in this class:
A. Spec tire requirements do not apply.
B. For S2000, the minimum weight with driver is 1280 lbs. FF and
S2000 are open only to “series-produced” cars. Only cars produced
by the following manufacturers are eligible for FF in this class: ADF,
Alexis, Caldwell, Citation, Crossle, Dulon, Eagle, Elden, Forsgrini,
Gemini, Hawke, Konig-Heath, LeGrand, Lola, Lotus, March, Merlyn,
Mondiale, PRS, Reynard, Royale, Swift, Tiga, Titan, Van Diemen,
Winkleman, and Zink. Only cars produced by the following manufacturers
are eligible for S2000 in this class: Bobsy, Chevron, Daedalus,
KBHMariah, Lola, March-Apache, Reynard, Royale, Shrike, Swift,
and Tiga. The SEB may add to
SCCA approves Honda Fit-based engine for
Formula F
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca ... formula-f/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How does this affect FF in SOLO?
Who would rather have a modern engine then that Ford 1600 from the 70's that cost a bundle to build and is a bit fragile...
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:34 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
The FIT motor is $11,750.
What does a FIT cost?
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:39 pm
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Steve Ekstrand wrote:The FIT motor is $11,750.
What does a FIT cost?
The first conversion kit offered will be for the venerable Swift DB-1. This complete, race-ready package will sell for $11,750. It will include a base L15A7 engine, FF engine conversion kit (including intake, exhaust, dry sump, restrictor plate and ECU), and a bolt-in DB-1 chassis conversion kit, to permit installation of the engine without welding or other major modifications. Individual component parts will also be available for purchase separately.
The FIT engine by itself has to be a lot less...
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:02 am
by Michael Wood
Kristoffer Gjevre wrote:From
http://cms.scca.com/documents/Solo_Rule ... _Rules.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MODIFIED CLASS C (CM)
Modifi ed Class C GCR-compliant SR, SRF, Formula F, & S2000. Within
the limitations of the GCR, additional frame bracing, suspension and
steering changes, relocation of ancillary components (radiators, batteries,
etc.), and their associated mounting brackets is permitted. Nothing
in these rules is to be construed as overruling any GCR construction
requirements or limitations except for those safety items which the Solo
Rules do not require. The purpose of these rules is to maintain the
value of these cars for Club Racing and therefore their market value,
and to prevent special Solo-only Formula F vehicles.
Exceptions to the GCR for all cars in this class:
A. Spec tire requirements do not apply.
B. For S2000, the minimum weight with driver is 1280 lbs. FF and
S2000 are open only to “series-produced” cars. Only cars produced
by the following manufacturers are eligible for FF in this class: ADF,
Alexis, Caldwell, Citation, Crossle, Dulon, Eagle, Elden, Forsgrini,
Gemini, Hawke, Konig-Heath, LeGrand, Lola, Lotus, March, Merlyn,
Mondiale, PRS, Reynard, Royale, Swift, Tiga, Titan, Van Diemen,
Winkleman, and Zink. Only cars produced by the following manufacturers
are eligible for S2000 in this class: Bobsy, Chevron, Daedalus,
KBHMariah, Lola, March-Apache, Reynard, Royale, Shrike, Swift,
and Tiga. The SEB may add to
SCCA approves Honda Fit-based engine for
Formula F
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/05/scca ... formula-f/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How does this affect FF in SOLO?
Who would rather have a modern engine then that Ford 1600 from the 70's that cost a bundle to build and is a bit fragile...
Is that from the 2011 rulebook? I can't find the approved car list when looking at the 2011 draft posed on SCCA.com.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:37 am
by Kristoffer Gjevre
Michael Wood wrote:
Is that from the 2011 rulebook? I can't find the approved car list when looking at the 2011 draft posed on SCCA.com.
2010, did not go looking for the 2011 one...
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:57 am
by Pete Loney
Steve Ekstrand wrote:The FIT motor is $11,750.
What does a FIT cost?
I almost bought a decked out one not too long ago for $18K
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:50 pm
by Bill Martin
Michael Wood wrote:That makes sense, Bill. But, I'd think you'd at least need to be looking at a mid 80's/up car with inboard suspension, right?
The original motivation for inboard suspension was to get "stuff" out of the airstream. No biggie for us. But some say the inboard suspension is more "effective" and I'm not clear on what that means. The top CM cars run up to 5 hz spring frequencies which means you hardly have any suspension movement. So how important can it be? But that's just me being skeptical. They probably know what they're talking about.
Multiple CM national championships have been won with outboard suspension, including my Lola. How bad can it be?
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:19 pm
by Bob Beamesderfer
Steve Ekstrand wrote:The FIT motor is $11,750.
What does a FIT cost?
$5,000 for the engine and $6,750 for the homolagation seals.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:14 am
by Eric Clements
Sister car to Roberts. We could share spares!
http://www.apexspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35954" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:17 pm
by KJ Christopher
Hmmmmm.

Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:28 pm
by Kurt Rahn
KJ Christopher wrote:
Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:32 am
by Ron Tsumura
Kurt Rahn wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:
Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.
I think he is probably a life member of AAA....
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:01 am
by Kurt Rahn
Ron Tsumura wrote:Kurt Rahn wrote:KJ Christopher wrote:Hmmmmm.

Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.
I think he is probably a life member of AAA....
I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:36 am
by Mike Simanyi
Kurt Rahn wrote:Ron Tsumura wrote:Kurt Rahn wrote:
Dude, you need to seek treatment for your automotive ADD.
I think he is probably a life member of AAA....
I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:
Isn't it great?!!! }:)
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:48 am
by Jason Isley BS RX8
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:32 pm
by Steve Ekstrand
Kurt Rahn wrote:
I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:
I wife is my enabler. Last night she was going, you know... Wouldn't you want a Challenger SRT-8 with the 392ci Hemi? Followed by what should we get for our next autocross car? Something faster? All of which followed the thousands we spent over Christmas on the current autocross car... All without complaint.
Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:11 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Steve Ekstrand wrote:Kurt Rahn wrote:
I think we all are to some degree. And unfortunately for our spouses and wallets, we've all found the ultimate group of enablers to hang out with :gpower:
I wife is my enabler. Last night she was going, you know... Wouldn't you want a Challenger SRT-8 with the 392ci Hemi? Followed by what should we get for our next autocross car? Something faster? All of which followed the thousands we spent over Christmas on the current autocross car... All without complaint.
Let me know if you ever ponder divorce

Re: CMod Formula Ford
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:12 pm
by Kurt Rahn
Jason Isley BS RX8 wrote:
Those little guys look like a lot of fun.