Everything Old is New Again

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We've been here before, as this paper from 2007 explains;

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Could such a great drain of liquidity happen again? Many financial experts dismiss the idea as mere doom mongering. A full-scale war, they say, is one of those “ten-sigma” events, events so rare that they lie outside the realm of professional risk management. A ten-dollar oil-price hike in 2007 is a risk to which a probability can be attached; big war belongs in the realm of Frank Knight’s kind of uncertainty, like an asteroid hitting the earth or a global influenza pandemic—you just can’t price it in. This line of argument recalls the philosophical point (usually associated with David Hume) about the color of swans: just because all the swans you’ve ever seen have been white doesn’t mean there’s no such thing as a black swan. By the same token, just because today’s top traders have never seen a massive liquidity crisis doesn’t mean those crises never happen. Even if those traders have survived in the bear pit long enough to have firsthand memories of 1987, their memories are simply too short. And some of their models have even shorter memories. One of the biggest defects in modern risk management is the dangerously short time horizon used in many models—such as the historical simulation models used for calculating value at risk. A number of widely used models rely on as little as the past three years of data.
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I was a student of money and banking in 1987. The problems then were no were near as dire as today. We didn't have the leverage. We didn't have the trillions in unpriceable assets. We didn't have assets nobody understands. We had a fairly simple way out. Pain for some, but light at the end of the tunnel which is why things recovered so fast. Remember 1987 finished up 5% for the year.

We won't be so lucky this time around.

The game players found a legal way to cheat the banking rules we developed to prevent another great depression. And in doing so, they ruined the game. Fix that libertarians....
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What about 1914?
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1914???
That's like pre-windows? CP/M? Nearly all those guys are dead. And for the ones alive they probably didn't have bank accounts then.
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So... you didn't read the link posted above.
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has anyone else read the Greenspan book?

just as a side commentary, his analysis of everything (which he made before the mortgage / credit crisis happened) is pretty interesting.
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Skimmed it. I know about 1914... And 1907 and 18xx and 18xx again and.... Shampoo, rinse, repeat....


The scale here is enormous. CDS's that equal or probably exceed the GDP of the WORLD? How do you bail that out? Scope and size of this one looks pretty unprecedented to me.

And the rules were in place to make sure this never happened.... Except the MIT boys are so smart.... They figured out that if you change the name for something the regulations don't apply. Damn those rocket scientist types are clever....
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I read Secrets of the Temple in graduate school. That experience so scarred me that I don't think I can read anything else about the treasury ever again..... Oh the flashbacks of pain.....
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Greenspan's book isn't really that dry, considering I'm coming from an architecture background, and his book is the first un-required economic book I've read.
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