Oh Tom! I'm so sorry that Marshall pushed you so hard this season that you actually had to unload a couple of bags of sand from that trunk...guess it's time to start that GS project!Tom Berry wrote:Hey.... my index got harder. No fair! I dont think I will run in Pax next year. Maybe BSP.Marshall Grice wrote:hey looks like Bill can run in PAX again.
How much did that cost you Bill?
2010 Pax/RTP indexes released!
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Bill Schenker
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Rad_ Delgado_
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The A-Stock index looks a little hard. Essentially, a SS car needs to be 0.4 secs faster on a 60 secs lap compared to a AS car.
Cars like a Cayman S, LS1 C5, BMW M3 are way slower than 0.4 secs compared to a GT3, Viper, Z06.
I think the BSP index has been heavily penalized, CSP has proven faster (it is nice not to carry another 1,000 lbs). The ASP index should have increased by a larger margin.
Cars like a Cayman S, LS1 C5, BMW M3 are way slower than 0.4 secs compared to a GT3, Viper, Z06.
I think the BSP index has been heavily penalized, CSP has proven faster (it is nice not to carry another 1,000 lbs). The ASP index should have increased by a larger margin.
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Updated my graphs to include 2010
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... eXJA89kU3w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
tabs at the bottom for catagories, click the dots for data, or the colors to hilight specific lines.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... eXJA89kU3w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
tabs at the bottom for catagories, click the dots for data, or the colors to hilight specific lines.
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Seems to me you can also imply that SS is soft, coversely speaking.Rad_ Delgado_ wrote:The A-Stock index looks a little hard. Essentially, a SS car needs to be 0.4 secs faster on a 60 secs lap compared to a AS car.
Cars like a Cayman S, LS1 C5, BMW M3 are way slower than 0.4 secs compared to a GT3, Viper, Z06.
I think the BSP index has been heavily penalized, CSP has proven faster (it is nice not to carry another 1,000 lbs). The ASP index should have increased by a larger margin.
Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".
Anyone have a CM car to run?
Dood, are you gonna eat that?
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Bill Martin, he has a car to run in every class---Ken Motonishi wrote:
Anyone have a CM car to run?
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Rick Ruth has since said he was mistaken and the average move was actually .004Ken Motonishi wrote: Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".
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I don't think he said he was mistaken, he said that if you don't include the crazy increases of the mod classes the average is closer to .004. the overall average is .006 though.Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Rick Ruth has since said he was mistaken and the average move was actually .004Ken Motonishi wrote: Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".
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Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation? 
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Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation?
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While both statements are true, the answer to the question would be the AM situation,and lack of increases found there.Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation?
That said, thanks for the link, its interesting to see some of the changes. Is there anyway you could set it up so we could pick & choose the classes we want to compare? I'd love to compare the ST classes to the classes the cars come from. (Primary ES GS & HS). Have the newer models that are competitive stock classes, held up against the has been(s) that are getting faster via ST rule modifications? (The all just has to many lines to follow anything)
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Click the tabs at the bottom.Craig Naylor wrote:While both statements are true, the answer to the question would be the AM situation,and lack of increases found there.Aaron Goldsmith wrote:Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation?
That said, thanks for the link, its interesting to see some of the changes. Is there anyway you could set it up so we could pick & choose the classes we want to compare? I'd love to compare the ST classes to the classes the cars come from. (Primary ES GS & HS). Have the newer models that are competitive stock classes, held up against the has been(s) that are getting faster via ST rule modifications? (The all just has to many lines to follow anything)