2010 San Diego National Tour Discussion

[Greg Peng]

Ditto. We were released before the errors were sorted out. I didn't hang around since I really didn't have anything to gain.

[Craig Naylor]

I brought the BS error(s) that were reported to the timing trailer, there were several issues in that run group that needed to be addressed. While I will take all concerns to the trailer, I can't track, and inform every competator of changes that were / were not approved, fixed etc.

This is where personal responsibility of verifying the corrected logs takes place, and or that the logs get fixed before the 30 minutes runs.

[Steve Ekstrand]

Steve, you went through the finish lights twice by "fixing' your DNF thereby giving yourself a DNF.

It took me 4 cars to fix the computer after that stunt!

@Marshall
Is that the rule? I just want to know for the future in case I spin like that and avoid the cone. I was pointing more towards the course than the exit and thought driving straight over the wires and through the big opening was faster to clear the course and not DNF than try to make a tight slow turn probably on the wires and into Sebs path at low speed. I was also worried about the speakers and such. Of course, if I knew I had hit TWO cones not one and could actually process the situation that fast I would have just driven off course around Clancy's truck. Also if I knew the scratch time was only 3 tenths faster I wouldn't have cared. I actually thought.... Hmm passed the lights, might have been faster even with one cone. Silly me.

SORRY!!!! Don't like to cause work for the core people.

@Greg the errors on my results don't matter they aren't the fastest run on each day. I got the one that mattered fixed. Same I think with the rest of the class.

[Christine Grice]

For future reference

7.9.3 Course Deviation
....
If the finish trip beam is broken while the front two wheels of the car are
off-course, the run will be scored as a DNF. Additionally, if after breaking
the finish trip beam a driver causes the finish trip beam to be broken
again, stopping the timer for the following driver, the time for the first
driver will be scored as a DNF and the second driver may be granted
a rerun.

[Greg Peng]

I was pointing more towards the course than the exit and thought driving straight over the wires and through the big opening was faster to clear the course and not DNF than try to make a tight slow turn probably on the wires and into Sebs path at low speed.

Seb likes reruns...

... except when his competitor takes them. :unimpressed:

[John Stimson]

Craig brought out the BS results while everyone was still in impound. The 2nd Sunday runs for most of the drivers had been shuffled, not just swapped between the two guys in the Solstice. The partial results that were posted in the trailer were correct, however there were about 4-5 drivers that did not have their final runs posted on that printout. So we sent Craig back to timing and scoring with the partial results showing everybody's correct times up through 2nd runs on Sunday. Alex's final run jumped him into 3rd place -- that's real, not a results mistake. Sorry, Pete! I'm guessing that audit was still working on correcting the errors when you checked and that what you saw in the trailer was a 2nd copy of the partial results with missing times for the 2nd drivers.

[Steve Ekstrand]

Thanks Christine.

Seb was given the option of a rerun in this case because of carnage after the lights. He declined. Then beat himself up a bit after. His run put him .227 back after day one. He was still in the hunt with that run. If he'd taken the rerun and didn't improve on the first two he would have been out of the hunt. I think he made the right choice.

[Michael Smith]

For future reference

7.9.3 Course Deviation
....
If the finish trip beam is broken while the front two wheels of the car are
off-course, the run will be scored as a DNF. Additionally, if after breaking
the finish trip beam a driver causes the finish trip beam to be broken
again, stopping the timer for the following driver, the time for the first
driver will be scored as a DNF and the second driver may be granted
a rerun.

Which explains my DNF, even though I entered where I went out. I was just happy the light was okay.
It's very smart to have the lights in the boxes with weights inside. Have we thought of that for our region?

Mako just had to be there to catch my disaster! I just pushed the box.
http://public.fotki.com/makofoto/2010-a ... html#media

[Craig Naylor]

Thanks Christine.

Seb was given the option of a rerun in this case because of carnage after the lights. He declined. Then beat himself up a bit after. His run put him .227 back after day one. He was still in the hunt with that run. If he'd taken the rerun and didn't improve on the first two he would have been out of the hunt. I think he made the right choice.

Actually he didn't have an option for a rerun. Another rule states that no rerun is given for cones after the lights, unless you actually react and slow down prior to crossing the lights, and your time is impeded due to such. Seb honestly stated he did not slow for the cones till after crossing the lights.

This was news to me... and luckily Seb's situation brought this to light and I stabbed the brakes before the lights for the downed cone I saw (post lights), and turned the re-run into my best run on Sunday. BUT my claiming to have braked before the lights wasn't good enough. The OP steward had to confirm with a course worker before I was awarded my re-run.

[Craig Naylor]

It's very smart to have the lights in the boxes with weights inside. Have we thought of that for our region?

Yes, we used to use milk crates. They do more damage to cars than cars do to the little stands we have now. How much was it Gio $1200?

Of course the following weekend after being fixed the car was no more.... While I'm sorry for Gio's bigger loss, I must admit I wished the car waited a week or so longer before it's appointment for that work.

[Steve Ekstrand]

Not arguing the rule, I really need to read this section of the rulebook again, its been awhile, but I'm pretty sure Seb was presented with the choice in grid.

We need rules... and a "decisions" book, like golf has so we can understand the rules in all the funky situations that real life brings.

[Marshall Grice]

Actually he didn't have an option for a rerun. Another rule states that no rerun is given for cones after the lights, unless you actually react and slow down prior to crossing the lights, and your time is impeded due to such. Seb honestly stated he did not slow for the cones till after crossing the lights.

not exactly true. 7.9.2 says "Reruns for downed cones after the timing finish line will only be given at the discretion of the Chief Steward." So you don't specifically have to slow down to get a rerun, you just have to make your case to the chief steward.

[Giovanni Jaramillo]

How much was it Gio $1200?

Your part was around $900-$1,200 if I recall correctly.

Of course the following weekend after being fixed the car was no more.... While I'm sorry for Gio's bigger loss, I must admit I wished the car waited a week or so longer before it's appointment for that work.

Yeah the car was cursed, and if it would've happened later yeah you would've been saved, but no worries as I'd wish the same thing if the roles were reversed. And yes I was surprised that crates do that much damage...but they do.

[Rick Brown]

It's very smart to have the lights in the boxes with weights inside. Have we thought of that for our region?

Yes, we used to use milk crates. They do more damage to cars than cars do to the little stands we have now. How much was it Gio $1200?

Of course the following weekend after being fixed the car was no more.... While I'm sorry for Gio's bigger loss, I must admit I wished the car waited a week or so longer before it's appointment for that work.

We also had steel tubes with steel bases that were fairly heavy and could damage cars, too. SD had the little boxes with plastic tripods and I stole the idea from them when I redid all our lights. It's all basically disposable. The box and tripod are $6 to $8 each, the solar panel is $10 on sale, so no big deal if they get crushed - I have lots of spares. Being low to the ground they get run over rather than bounce off your car. The sensors inside are nearly indestructible and even they can be bought fairly cheaply on eBay.

[Bryan Heitkotter]

My best run each day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWPAZDhvoA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Pete Loney]

Craig brought out the BS results while everyone was still in impound. The 2nd Sunday runs for most of the drivers had been shuffled, not just swapped between the two guys in the Solstice. The partial results that were posted in the trailer were correct, however there were about 4-5 drivers that did not have their final runs posted on that printout. So we sent Craig back to timing and scoring with the partial results showing everybody's correct times up through 2nd runs on Sunday. Alex's final run jumped him into 3rd place -- that's real, not a results mistake. Sorry, Pete! I'm guessing that audit was still working on correcting the errors when you checked and that what you saw in the trailer was a 2nd copy of the partial results with missing times for the 2nd drivers.

My guess is that the final never made it onto the wall before 4:00. I then left the site.

My suggestion would be to take down the partial unofficial result in the mean time Craig.

That way any competitor would have to ask and wait for it to be posted like it should be in the trailer.

[Craig Naylor]

My guess is that the final never made it onto the wall before 4:00. I then left the site.
My suggestion would be to take down the partial unofficial result in the mean time Craig.
That way any competitor would have to ask and wait for it to be posted like it should be in the trailer.

I like the suggestion. May I suggest you propose it to a National staff member this weekend. Always works best with a personal story attached.

Some info to help.
Impound used to get results for the class with class results rolling from one page to the next. This year we received a separate page for each class.... BUT what was posted in the trailer was the old way. Each run group in one document with class results rolling from one page to the next. If someone were to remove the "BS" results (in this case) it would have removed results for other classes too as you were on the second page, with a class from the first page rolling to the second, and another from the second to the third.
Additionally Impound is not responsible for the postings in the trailer, that's "another dept" IE another worker not related to Impound does that.

[Craig Naylor]

7.9.2 says "Reruns for downed cones after the timing finish line will only be given at the discretion of the Chief Steward." So you don't specifically have to slow down to get a rerun, you just have to make your case to the chief steward.

Well on that "discretion" part.... I'm letting you know what they were looking for, and the backup they wanted in S.D. Use it as you wish.

[Pete Loney]

My fastest dirty run. Day 2- third run. 4
5.4xx Fastest Scratch time in class.
Cost me second place.....Grrrrr

Enjoy the two camera embedded video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajA0GCtWSmw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jason Flores]

Our video can be seen here if anyone is still watching...

http://yeohbaby.blogspot.com/2010/04/sa ... -rain.html

enjoy

jason and stephen

[Jason Isley BS RX8]

My Saturday files crashed, but here are Sundays runs in CSL and AS. http://www.youtube.com/user/SportsCarMa ... BpsxnBlE38" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;