2010 Pax/RTP indexes released!

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Re: 2010 Pax/RTP indexes released!

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Tom Berry wrote:
Marshall Grice wrote:hey looks like Bill can run in PAX again.

How much did that cost you Bill? :lol:
Hey.... my index got harder. No fair! I dont think I will run in Pax next year. Maybe BSP. :lol:
Oh Tom! I'm so sorry that Marshall pushed you so hard this season that you actually had to unload a couple of bags of sand from that trunk...guess it's time to start that GS project! :D
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Re: 2010 Pax/RTP indexes released!

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The A-Stock index looks a little hard. Essentially, a SS car needs to be 0.4 secs faster on a 60 secs lap compared to a AS car.

Cars like a Cayman S, LS1 C5, BMW M3 are way slower than 0.4 secs compared to a GT3, Viper, Z06.

I think the BSP index has been heavily penalized, CSP has proven faster (it is nice not to carry another 1,000 lbs). The ASP index should have increased by a larger margin.
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Updated my graphs to include 2010
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... eXJA89kU3w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tabs at the bottom for catagories, click the dots for data, or the colors to hilight specific lines.
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Rad_ Delgado_ wrote:The A-Stock index looks a little hard. Essentially, a SS car needs to be 0.4 secs faster on a 60 secs lap compared to a AS car.

Cars like a Cayman S, LS1 C5, BMW M3 are way slower than 0.4 secs compared to a GT3, Viper, Z06.

I think the BSP index has been heavily penalized, CSP has proven faster (it is nice not to carry another 1,000 lbs). The ASP index should have increased by a larger margin.
Seems to me you can also imply that SS is soft, coversely speaking.

Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".

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Anyone have a CM car to run?
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Ken Motonishi wrote:
Anyone have a CM car to run?
Bill Martin, he has a car to run in every class--- :D :D :D

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Ken Motonishi wrote: Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".
Rick Ruth has since said he was mistaken and the average move was actually .004
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Aaron Goldsmith wrote:
Ken Motonishi wrote: Since the average increase was 0.006 and BSP increased by that exact amount, how is that "heavily penalized"? CSP got a break by only increasing 0.002 but I'm all for it if that means Schenker comes out of his cave. Don't forget he's "PSCC".
Rick Ruth has since said he was mistaken and the average move was actually .004
I don't think he said he was mistaken, he said that if you don't include the crazy increases of the mod classes the average is closer to .004. the overall average is .006 though.
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Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation? :?
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Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation? :?
Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.
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Aaron Goldsmith wrote:
Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation? :?
Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.
While both statements are true, the answer to the question would be the AM situation,and lack of increases found there.

That said, thanks for the link, its interesting to see some of the changes. Is there anyway you could set it up so we could pick & choose the classes we want to compare? I'd love to compare the ST classes to the classes the cars come from. (Primary ES GS & HS). Have the newer models that are competitive stock classes, held up against the has been(s) that are getting faster via ST rule modifications? (The all just has to many lines to follow anything)
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Craig Naylor wrote:
Aaron Goldsmith wrote:
Greg Peng wrote:Just curious, why are the PAX numbers mostly on an upward trend year-to-year? Is this like inflation? :?
Click on my link, they move up and down. Right now it's 90% because AM is lame and some because cars are getting faster.
While both statements are true, the answer to the question would be the AM situation,and lack of increases found there.

That said, thanks for the link, its interesting to see some of the changes. Is there anyway you could set it up so we could pick & choose the classes we want to compare? I'd love to compare the ST classes to the classes the cars come from. (Primary ES GS & HS). Have the newer models that are competitive stock classes, held up against the has been(s) that are getting faster via ST rule modifications? (The all just has to many lines to follow anything)
Click the tabs at the bottom.
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